Friday, March 30, 2007

Falling on the Climate Change bill?

Media speculation is ramping up about whether the Conservatives are planning to make the climate change bill a confidence measure, and plan to fall on it. Now, if their poll numbers really are 17 points up on the Liberals, then this is a great plan, since they should be able to win over anything.

But if their numbers aren't that high, then it seems incredibly stupid to fall on a bill toughening environmental standards. It's not like the bill calls for crazy action that obviously will destroy the country, so I can't see them wanting to go to war on it, unless if they suddenly found that 40% of the country doesn't like the environment, or something like that.

On a side note, it appears Blogger has a news feed widget now that you can add to your sidebar to show news stories from Google News. If anyone has suggestions for other keywords to add on, let me know and I can add those on.

Thursday, March 29, 2007

US to withdraw from Iraq

...in 2008, if Bush doesn't veto the bill which passed the Senate today, and actually follows through on it. I'd say there's as much chance of that happening as us seeing Dion lead the PQ in the next Quebec election.

But it is still nice to see the Senate continue to put more pressure on Bush, even if it's simply a non-binding symbolic resolution. However, I really find it insane how they force so many different resolutions into one. But I guess it makes sense to have a timeline for withdrawing, more money for Iraq and Afghanistan, more money for marines, money to track down sex offenders, and money for spinach farmers all in one. I mean, they're all related, right?

What about the bloc?

The globe has an article out today examining what the Bloc should do next. Do they keep the hardline stance, or do they shift to try to take up the ADQ's view, and get rid of the referendum notion, like the PQ is thinking about. Especially with the rumours of Duceppe switching to lead the PQ, it means both the PQ and Bloc will have to think and decide what their positions will be for their respective parties.

If the Bloc can't hold the seats that the ADQ won, then they'll be relegated to obscurity. A 20 to 30 seat bloc would be pretty useless, overall. Especially with a showing like that, it would probably be at the hands of a Conservative majority. But with the PQ at an all-time low, and if we keep the rumours of Duceppe swapping back provincially, then it would be tough to convince voters to vote for them.

And going forward, if the Bloc is seriously slumping, that leaves the Liberals as the party of opposition in Quebec to prevent a Conservative majority. We have to bring our message to Quebeckers that the only true way to prevent a Conservative majority is to vote Liberal. We have to reinforce the notion that the Bloc can't defend Quebec's interest against the Conservatives if they have a majority, and the only way to stop that is by electing a Liberal government.

Now this is all assuming a Bloc in rubble, and an election coming up soon. If we end up waiting on an election, then lots can change, but as long as the Bloc is weakened and still slightly directionless (or even worse for them, keeping their hard-line stance on a referendum), I think we should be able to steal back a couple seats. Not a lot, but every little bit counts.

Wednesday, March 28, 2007

But yesterday's poll said...

Courtesy of Farn and Wide, we have 2 seaprate polls showing completely different stories. One has the race almost neck and neck. The other has the conservatives over 40% (but still lots of undecideds).

I'm sure in the next few days the rest of the polling firms will have new numbers out, and next week we'll start seeing the post-Quebec election numbers roll in, the Conservatives do appear to be a bit ahead. Combine with a strong ADQ showing in Quebec that they'll hope to capitalize on, the big question is what knife are they going to throw themselves on?

But they did get a bit screwed since Charest sucked, so it might not be so obvious. I'm still leaning to thinking that the Conservatives will wait a bit on the election, but I could still see us voting sometime in June. Definitely still not a guarantee either way.

Tuesday, March 27, 2007

More to life than politics

Well, I started out saying I would comment on matters other than politics, and a while back I abandoned that. However, with today being Super Tuesday in the East Playoff race, I thought I'd mention it.

6 teams compete - only 3 will make it in. All 6 in action tonight. We could see stuff tighten up even further today, or we may see stuff spread out a bit.

The Habs may also be getting some good news, with Huet possibly returning this week, although the way Halak has played, Huet doesn't seem as necessary.

The Isles get some bad news, as Dipietre suffers post-concussion syndrome. Always sucks when guys get hurt, but at this stage, it's a big break for the others in the race.

So how will it all end, with only a couple weeks left in the season? Nobody knows, but it will surely be fun to watch. Hopefully the Habs can keep their run here and make their historic collapse a little less historic.

Day after the vote thoughts

Well, as we all sit back to analyze, a few quick links.



Generally, seems like a sobering experience all around. Should be interesting to watch the dynamics of it over the next few months.

Monday, March 26, 2007

Live blogging the results

I'll make a few notes as I listen in online: (all times PDT)

5:46 - ADQ tied with the Liberals? WTF? Antonio's not going to be happy at all
Greens up in 1 riding. Do we have our surprise riding, like Andre Arthur in the last federal election?

5:47 - ADQ ahead? What is going on here?

5:49 - 45-42-34 right now. Nice to see the PQ down a bit, and I can't see them winning it with this, but could the ADQ actually hang on?

5:50 - 46-44-33

5:52 - SRC has it a bit nicer: 48-36-28-1 for Lib-ADQ-PQ-QS

5:54 - Although on their minute-by-minute results, they have it 46-44-33, same as CBC. I don't think anyone predicted the ADQ would be in this tight.

5:56 - ADQ actually polling ahead of the PQ in total votes so far. Either it's going to be a stunning defeat for the PQ or else ADQ regions are faster to count.

6:00 - Charest is trailing in his own riding. Man would it be huge if both the PQ came in a stunning loss AND Charest lost his own seat. Politics would be crazy in Quebec

6:02 - CBC predicts a minority. Geez, you think, based on how it's been so far? At this point, it may even end up within 10 seats from first to last

6:06 - CBC's website has the ADQ ahead of the Liberals in total votes!!!! Has the world gone tipsy-turvy?

6:12 - I thought it was temporary, but the ADQ is still ahead in votes as well. I think we'll be going late to figure out who's going to end up in the lead.

6:15 - Elected numbers stand as 31-20-17 for Lib-ADQ-PQ. So the ADQ has already had 15 seat gain elected

6:17 - Still only 40% of the riding in, but Charest is down 2482-2277 in votes in his riding.

6:29 - Well, I think I'll call the PQ being stuck at about 34-36, so we've got 90 seats to split between the Libs and the ADQ. CBC's got the Libs up by a few seats now.

6:38 - CBC.ca's got a PQ guy on who was trying to claim that it wasn't a loss for separatists. Okay, that's like saying that the Conservatives winning the Federal election is good for left-wing voters of the country

6:40 - Liberals back ahead in seats, 46-43/44 (depending who you watch). Charest still losing. If the Liberals win in seats, but Charest loses his seat, does he step down?

6:53 - Liberals 4 seats ahead of the ADQ, with only 15 seats still in the air. Liberals looking like they should actually hold on.

7:01 - Liberals now elected in more ridings than the ADQ are leading and elected in, so looking a lot like they should be staying in power. However, barring a miracle, Charest is gone from his riding. You also have to watch out, since CBC now has the PQ only 2 seats behind the ADQ, so with a last push by them, it would be interesting if they got back to tie with Dumont.

7:06 - CBC predicts Liberals win.

7:09 - Looks like the PQ isn't close in any of the undeclared ridings, so they'll stay in last. Also, Calgary Grit has musings of Charest stepping down and running federally for Harper. Certainly should make for some good chatter in the next few weeks.

7:20 - Well, stuff seems to have calmed down now. 46-41-38 right now. I think I'll sign off for now and head home now. The PQ doesn't end as bad in seats as they looked earlier, but 28.35% of the vote is horrible for them. CBC just declares that Charest lost his riding, so expect lots of hounds over the next few days for both the Liberals and the PQ.

9:12 - In a move that shocks everyone except Antonio, it seems Charest actually won his riding. That should probably stop the load of people calling for him to quit.

Election time in Quebec

Well, if you're reading this blog now, and are not aware from the election in Quebec going on today, then welcome back from your vacation of the past, oh, 5 weeks.

It's the big day. All the polls are saying the split will fall right close to even in votes, and it all depends how the parties get their people out, and where the votes fall. Right now, I'm still hanging on my prediction from before the election call, saying that the Liberals will still take it in a minority. It's going to be close, but I think the Liberals will be able to squeak out enough to get the edge in seats. However, it will be interesting how this plays going forward, to see how long they last there. We might end up seeing *another* election in the next year if the parties can't work together.

Thursday, March 22, 2007

Another budget

Well, even if we're still dealing with the fallout from the Conservative budget, the Ontario government has released its budget today. Another pre-election budget, but this one doesn't seem to be crazy. I doubt we'll see too many Liberals turning on Dalton for this one. Overall, I don't see anything to complain about. A child benefit that pays out to the needy, low-income folk, instead of to rich parents. A balanced budget. Funding for education.

Nothing huge and crazy, but lots of spending where it's needed. Opposition can't even point to anything to be overly unhappy with.

Edwards continues on

Well, in some sad news for John Edwards, it appears his wife's cancer has returned. Hopefully she can go on with the treatment and continue to live a full life. Edwards has stated that he will still continue his race for the White House.

Wednesday, March 21, 2007

First budget victim: Comuzzi

Well, when a party member breaks ranks to vote on a budget, hard to see how anyone could be upset when that person is kicked from the caucus.

Also, as much as I disagree with Antonio on many issues of the fiscal imbalance and many matters Quebec-wise, he does provide some good arguments over on his site about these issues, and about the optics of Charest cutting taxes after getting a bonus from the government. This was in response to a very good debate on the blogger's hotstove between him and Dan.

Monday, March 19, 2007

Budget Day!

Well, gather round folks, since it's budget day today! Everyone can get in line for their little goodies. Everyone gets something, unless if you happen to be poor or aboriginal. Looks like some Quebecois are happy and will vote for it.

So now the main questions are:

1. How will this affect the Quebec election, with the Bloc voting in favour of it now?

2. Will we be seeing a federal election soon? Not necessarily that it will cause one, but is it strong enough for the opposition to go to war on, or strong enough for Harper to defend?

Only time will tell, but at least from first glance, it's not a full goody-bag of stuff that nobody in their right mind could refuse.

*edit: after a bit of reflection, and after reading A BCer in TO's recap, I have to say that there's really nothing in there that you can complain about directly. No big income tax cuts for large corporations, or direct tax hikes for the poor (we still have the indirect hike from rolling back the Liberal tax plan, but it's not explicitly mentioned). We'd all like to see some money go into something else, and less money go into that fiscal imbalance (although if it really end the problem for good, then I'll be happy), but it's not something that will be keeping me awake and worried about what the government is doing to us. Definitely not enough to go into an election war on, but still enough to be able to reject it without looking bad.

More reasons why Edwards should win

Well, perusing the political chatter mailing list, I came across a link to this post, talking about the US candidate's views of homosexuality and gay marriage. Really interesting to see the difference between Canada and the US, where the views of Clinton and Obama are even further right-wing than Harper's. But there is one candidate who seems open to it, and that's Edwards. As the article points out, he's still in the "civil union" mode instead of fully endorsing gay marriage, but does admit that the next generation would probably be favour of it.

Good on him for being open about the topic. The more I see of him, the more he looks like a much better candidate than the others.

Friday, March 16, 2007

California wants in

Well, apparently California has decided to move up its primary date, in order to be included in the action to pick the nominees for the next election. This means that, assuming other states like Florida, Texas, and New Jersey do likewise, we'll have less than a month from the first primary to when everything is decided, likely coming within only a couple weeks from Iowa and New Hampshire.

So, while we still have many months until the votes themselves, it's gonna be a packed winter next year, with all the states wanting to be "in on the action." Nobody wants to be the "BC" of the primaries, with the contest over before they finish voting. At least those in BC can still be happy that they won't get to know the results of Canadian elections early.

Anders

How a man who has called Nelson Mandela a terrorist can continue to win a seat in parliament astounds me, at least he'll have to face an actual nomination fight now that a judge has overturned his sham of a nomination race. While Anders may benefit us Liberals politically by his insane comments and views, and while he may be the best chance the Liberals have to win a seat in Calgary, I think people would be overly happy to see him ousted. Now, please Glen, don't switch back now that the Tories are forced to be democratic!

"But I said it in French!"

So, according to Mr. Boisclair, 2 phrases which mean the same thing could be racist in one language, but not in another. Apparently, "slanty eyes" is offensive in English, but in French, it's perfectly acceptable. Can someone please explain that to me?

This denial is a classic case of a guy who needs to take a media relations class. What you say when you're alone with friends and what you say in a public stump speech need very different levels of control about what is permissible and what isn't.

It's statements like that that I'm not surprised that we'll soon see the PQ in 3rd place in polling data. That one linked to has all 3 parties in a statistical tie. It's coming down to the wire. While I do think that Dumont will fall a bit once the allegations from his bridge attack see more light, right now, it seems like it will probably come come right down to the federal budget.

Thursday, March 15, 2007

Tories kill climate change group

I guess it makes sense to axe a group who works on stuff you don't believe in, and it might just be a standard re-org, as the Cons want us to think about, but it certainly isn't good optics cutting away the Environment Canada Climate Change Policy Directorate. Up next for them? Environment Canada itself. "No, the same number of people will be working on stuff related to the environment, but now, they'll simply be working in the Ministry of National Resources office."

In other completely unrelated news, Obama has said that he won't campaign on his rivals' personal lives. It's a bold move. If everyone stops mentioning this stuff, we might sometime, gasp, elect someone who's been divorced to the highest office in the land. How terrible would that be!

Tuesday, March 13, 2007

Courting the Klingon vote

Now, I know everyone's constituencies vary slightly, and you will often see some politicians trying to court some minority votes by having their pages in Mandarin or some other language. But for Jyrki Kasvi, he has the interests of another minority in mind: Klingons. I guess it's not so weird, seeing as Google has had their homepage translated to Klingon, Pig Latin, and even that ever-widely spoken language of Bork, Bork, Bork for years now.

"Some have thought it is blasphemy to mix politics and Klingon," said Jyrki Kasvi, an ardent Trekkie. "Others say it is good if politicians can laugh at themselves."

-CNN article

Raising taxes

It's always big news when a government decides to raise taxes, so we'll see how this works out for Shawn Graham in NB. Nice to see them balancing their budget.

Also, today is when we get our first report on the 2006 census. With my quick scan through, a few cool facts (to impress those ladies):


  • Toronto is now over 5M people in its metro area
  • Two new millionaires in Calgary and Edmonton
  • KW came very close to cracking the top 10, being only 6000 people smaller than London now, and with its larger growth, should pass London soon. Waterloo itself is only 2500 people away from 100000. However, the KW urban area is larger than London's.
  • The 6 largest federal election districts are all in Toronto, with Brampton West being the largest, at 170000 (the average is at 102000).
  • Stratford is the most densely populated agglomeration, with Red Deer closely behind.


Lots of information there, but basically, Canada is growing, with Alberta and Southern Ontario leading the way.

(*hat tip to Calgary Grit)

Friday, March 09, 2007

Random thoughts: polls, Americans, and Canadiens

Catching up on some more recent news, Decima's poll looks the same as the usual others we're seeing. Now I'm getting a little annoyed by the continual polls, but everything points to us being about where we were a year ago, and if that's the case, I'd agree with TDH that an election isn't guaranteed. If the Liberal's TV spots have any positive effect for us, that would all but kill an election this year. But if the Conservatives this they'll be getting a boost from a Liberal victory in Quebec, there's still a good chance we could be voting in a couple months.

And down South, we're continuing to talk about the US race for 08. NBPolitico has an excellent recap of the candidates on both sides of the spectrum. Definitely looking to be heating up, with lots of good candidates on either side, but no great ones for either. Everyone's got some fatal flaws, which makes it eerily similar to the Liberal race from last year. So far I'd say the best bet for the republicans would be McCain, who is moderate enough for many people but still has some hard-line views on the war and abortion, at least enough to appease the hard right (after he gets the nomination. Before then he'll be pegged as a crazy liberal). And for the Dems, it's tougher to call. Barrack is getting the most press and looks to win it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls an Ignatieff and can't get the last little bit of support to win.

And finally, what the hell has gone wrong with the Canadiens? At Christmas, the Habs were a second line centre away from being a legitimate contender, and 3 wins away from home ice throughout the playoffs, and now they're on the verge of a top-10 pick. How does a team fall so far so fast?

Thursday, March 08, 2007

Dion: No negative attacks

Well, looks like Dion plans to take the high road, and not stoop to negative attacks. I'd say it's a good plan to reinforce the positive for now, and to keep thinking about the future. For now, it's the best way to regain credibility. That way, people will hopefully think of him and the party as moving forward, and maybe step away from the past for a bit. It was a stupid plan for Martin to forget the past, but we need look forward. For all we rag on Harper, Joe Blow Canadian probably has very little wrong with how Harper's governed, so negative campaigning does very little. Make people think of the future, and then they'll realize why Harper has been wrong so much.

Science and Government

I wanted to write a bit about something very important to me, as a computer scientist and as a person interested in politics. This issue is about government's involvement in science and research, and more specifically, about government understanding stuff about science and research.

I write this as I was reminded about the issue last week from a tech talk given by Larry Page, founder of Google, who was discussing a wide variety of subjects, ranging from energy to the economy, and everything in between. This was similar to the talk he gave at the AAAS conference a few weeks ago. Since the whole talk is over an hour (but if you're interested in science and technology, it is a good watch), I'll summarize the part that I wanted to emphasize (he went into more detail in the talk given to us, but the basic point was at about the 9-14 minute mark).

So he was talking about how much government understands science, since it would seem logical that if more members of the government understood about research and technology, they would be better equipped to deal with it. ed. note: It only makes sense - I mean, there's a reason why we appoint people who speak French as ministers for la Francophonie, and why we appoint people from rural ridings as ministers of in charge of agriculture. So, logically, it would make sense that if more government officials used to be involved in science and engineering, then we would much easier be able to tackle the challenges posed by technology that will come in the next few years, ranging from legislation about the internets to funding for research. ed: he didn't explicitly mention the internets, but I think made a few comments about evolution instead. Something like, "the fact that we even have a debate about whether to teach evolution in schools is crazy."

And the key point was that in all the main public offices in the US, from Governors to Senators to Congressmen (note: since I don't remember all the details fully, I may be including too many or too few groups in this, and my numbers may be off by a couple), but in all those people, there are only about 6 of them who have formal training in science and engineering. ed: And I'd be willing to bet that you wouldn't find too many more in Canadian politics either. And even when you have someone who knows about engineering physics, like, say, a former astronaut, they often have trouble winning.

And to add on to that, when you include members of the press, who are the ones most willing to talk about these issues, you add on a total of 0 more people who have training in engineering. Yep, that's right, nobody in the main press has an undergrad degree in a science or engineering field. So since none of them are used to it, they don't feel the need to mention about it as much. ed: and I do find that true. I mean, when stupid bills come up to vote, you get stories about it, but any press conferences dealing with more funding for research are brushed aside and hardly reported on, usually as a sidebar to an education announcement.

That was the main information from that part of the speech that he touched on. He went on to other points as well, but this was the stuff I wanted to comment on.


There are lots of reasons I've heard why people in engineering fields don't want to get involved with politics, ranging from a lack of interest in politics, to not wanting to give up their current job to go to a government job, to arguments about people in engineering being maybe more socially inept or just a general lack of political talents. While there may be some valid points in some of these, I don't see anything more than your basic stereotypes coming into effect here. Sure, there are lots of people in science and engineering who would make terrible politicians, but there are still lots who could do well.

And even in a place where math and engineering rule the day like at the University of Waterloo, from the impressions I've gotten, our executive has an uncharacteristically high amount of our executive in math and eng fields, with 2 out of 5 (me and our VP Policy, who happens to be an engineer). Just about every political event I go to, the general response to me mentioning that I'm a computer science student is that I'm like the "special child" at the event. And even thinking the other way around, I know I get my share of ribbing when I talk about politics with my techie friends.

And I do think that moving forward we need to find a way to make it so that it's not a surprise for anyone to be interested in politics, and so that we do have representation evenly not just among genders, but among professional experiences. I've talked with some people who believe that using some form of proportional representation could solve it, since then you could appoint some scientists to the top of the regional list to be elected, but I do also think we need to go further. Just like with the talks about new ways to make parliament and politics more friendly towards women, I think we need to look more into detail about under-representation of engineers going forward.

Since really, moving forward, funding for science and technology research should be one of our higher priorities. While I know it will never get the attention that files like the environment, education, and health care will get, and I don't even believe it should be up to their levels, it still should be something we strive towards. As mentioned in Page's talk, the whole Silicon Valley industry was started by a 1000$ grant to Hewlett and Packard in the 1930s. And moving forward, the technology industry will be one of the most crucial industries. I'd be willing to bet that a large number of people in Angus-Reid's Green Survey will say they're counting on a scientific breakthrough to stop Global Warming. Most people acknowledge that we've got to move on from gas-powered engines and onto some sort of fuel cell one.

But without the investment in the industry, this sort of stuff won't just happen. Larry Page was complaining about American funding, but the Canadian model is even worse. We need to push this issue, and the best way to do it is to get more people in engineering fields to step up to the plate and run for office.

Wednesday, March 07, 2007

Green Survey

Well, all the hullabaloo about Angus-Reid and online polling last week convinced me to sign up with them for online polling (I like filling out surveys. I already do for Ipsos and NPDOR), and I just finished one about the environment and global warming. It should be interesting to see the results in the next few weeks, since it was a fairly elaborate survey, and even included a little quiz at the end to see how much you actually knew about what was going on. It was a pretty long survey overall, so it will be interesting to see what results they can grab from it.

Monday, March 05, 2007

OYL and the NDP

Well, 2 topics that have nothing to do with each other, but since I'm too lazy to write 2 posts, they get crunched in together.

First off, good on the NDP for denouncing Robert McClelland's posting. [Cherniak writes about it in detail in his post before that one]. I haven't been as vocally opposed as Cherniak and Kinsella over Robert's past miss-speaks, and some of what he had said in the past could almost possibly maybe be explained, but this goes far over the line. No sane person could ever justify a comment like that, even in the heat of a debate, even in any sort of sarcastic reference. The NDP did the right move in denouncing that, since there is absolutely no place for that rhetoric in the party, let alone as the head of a prominent organization.


On a second, completely separate matter, the OYL had their yearly AGM this past weekend, recapped by Justin Tetreault. I was unfortunately not able to make it, but it sounds like it was fun, as most young liberal weekend gatherings are. Since I've been out of the country, I haven't been following everything as closely (aside from the many random facebook invites), but looks like a good team has been assembled. Since I've only really been a member for about a year now, and most of the time we've been worried about leadership, I haven't had too much contact with the old team, and look forward to working with Jacob Mksyartinian and the rest of the group that was elected.

(on a side note, why does the OYL have to keep electing presidents with long, tough last names? Teliszewsky and now Mksyartinian. Gonna take me a while to be able to spell that one right)

Friday, March 02, 2007

Polls, polls, and more polls

CanWest, Angus Reid, and Decima.

And everyone's got their own comments on them, from dismissing methodology to boxing comparisons, to blunt analysis, to faint hope, to basic warnings about what we should strive towards.

Overall, we do have to be worried about this. We can do comparisons with how Martin was before the last election, but Harper's more competant than Martin was. And we can complain about whether online surveys are truly representative until the cows come home, but unless if you actually know how they "randomly" select the participants, it's all hopeful thinking. These are professional polling firms, so I'm pretty sure they're doing what they can to get the most representative sample they can.

So what do we have to do? How can we beat Harper? Well, for one, we need to move off being only about the environment, since I think it's obvious now that being a one-trick pony about that isn't working. People get distracted too much, and we couldn't even hold steady when these polls were taken during all of Al Gore's lead up to the Oscars. If it's looking like we'll do well with the environment, Harper's smart enough to pick something new to distract us with.

Really, we need to be careful overall. We all hope that Harper will fumble at something, but we have to realize we're not dealing with the incompetent leaders of the past. We won't even be able to play the old, "but look how good our economy is now!" card that we had in our back pocket before. The reality is that it's not an easy trip, and Dion really needs to work hard to get the trust back.

So what do I suggest? We beat Harper with his own game. He started the election campaign with negative ads, so we should respond by talking policy with people. Make people feel like we've got a plan for the future. Put out some new ideas for renewing the party, or even, as Scott and Greg keep harping about, proportional representation. This will get people talking, and bring the Liberal party to be a party about ideas and one that believes in something, not just the stale shell of a party that I have a feeling lots of Canadians have seen us to be the past few years.

Thursday, March 01, 2007

Wappel and the Terror Vote

Well, we had almost unanimous solidarity on the Terror vote, but we did have one member vote to extend the provisions. So, now we have to decide how to properly deal with it.

First off, let me state that kicking Wappel out of the party won't cause me to lose any sleep. I don't like him representing the Liberal party, and I wouldn't want him as my MP.

But I don't think it's a good political move to kick him out or even deny signing his nomination papers over this. As much as we know that extending the accord was wrong, your bland generic poll will tell you that people don't like the decision too much. And yes, I know that if you actually asked people about the substance of the debate, and showed them an example of the powers that we're giving, they change their minds, but in reality, we have to deal with public perception more than substance as a political party. And kicking a guy out of the party for this is not good public perception.

Now, I do believe that he should be punished somehow for voting against us, but I think we should keep it "unspecified." I want to see him go, but our goal now should not be to give this story any more media than it's already gotten.